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The State of ... Ding Dong! The CLEO (certification) is dead. Which old CLEO? The wicked CLEO. Ding Dong! The wicked CLEO (certification) is dead. (with apologies to The Wizard of OZ)

Of course, the big news is the requirement on Form 1 (and 4) for a CLEO signature certifying “that the official has no information indicating that possession of the firearm by the maker (transferee) would be in violation of State or local law or that the maker (transferee) will use the firearm for other than lawful purposes” has been eliminated in the final rule making known as ATF 41P. Starting some time in July of 2016, the new Forms 1 and 4 will require only CLEO notification of intent to submit the form. We’ll never know how close we were to a different CLEO certification of “Is this the party to whom I am speaking?” after throwing Trusts and Corps under the bus, but all’s well that ends well. Right? Now we’ll begin a new conflict of who’s a responsible person in a Trust or Corp, but that’s a story for another time.

A reminder that 2 charts have been added comparing weapons within a category. The first is comparing UZI Registered Receivers to Registered Bolts. The second is comparing “regular” M60s to M60E4 (MK43 Mod 0) to M60s originally built by Saco Maremont.

General Ranting - Obama’s performance when announcing his Executive Actions initiative on gun control was exemplary. He laughed, he cried, we’ll see it again. When he got done mentioning himself about a million times, he dragged out the old lies about universal background checks and the imaginary gun show loophole. And as usual, nothing he said would make any difference in criminals acquiring weapons or even mass shooting tragedies. The real danger is that he can through Executive Action modify existing ATF rules and procedures. People selling their own guns without an FFL seem to be in the target. Maybe he’ll set a limit of 20 guns before you’re an illegal dealer. Then next year it’s changed to 10, then 5, then 1. It’s not so much a slippery slope but a slip-n-slide because you know where your going to end up. You would think a NRA A rated majority in Congress would work to defund his initiatives. You’d be wrong.

The Republican establishment is literally apoplectic that The Donald is still hanging in there. These are the same guys that gave us McCain and Romney as candidates and when we finally jammed in a Republican Congress, we got Boehner, now Ryan, and McConnell to run it. Are they challenging Obama’s fundamental destruction change of America? Are they championing the causes that got them elected? Not so much. The Donald would blow the place up and that may not be such a bad thing. A dose of anarchy that destroys political correctness would be a plus.

More of the STILL Continuing JPFO Rant - There’s been a few negative comments about this, but if you had a father or grandfather that fought in the Pacific during WWII, you may be alive today due to the nuclear bombing of Japan that ended the war in the Pacific. At least 1 million US and up to 4 million Japanese lives were saved when Japan surrendered, negating the anticipated invasion of Japan. My dad was Army Air Force in India and Burma during the war and was being readied for the invasion. His life was likely spared due to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For JFPO to allow revisionists a voice to equate these events with the Nazi Holocaust is disgusting. This rant will stay until JFPO addresses the issue. It’s been over 3 years and haven’t heard from them yet. If you don’t like it, skip it or try out your delete key.

UPDATE On JPFO - Apparently JPFO has fallen apart after the death of Mr. Zellman and other unfortunate events befallen their leadership. They have merged with the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) sometime in  4Q 2014. SAF’s leader, Alan Gottlieb has previously stated his opposition to Class III guns, while barely tolerating semi-automatic weapons. Additionally, Gottlieb supported the Toomey/Manchen universal background check/gun registration bill. Maybe not the best of friends for automatic weapon advocates. I expressed my reservations about the “Japanese genocide” to Alan Korwin of who has joined with SAF/JPFO to promote their alliance and received a big fat no response. I even bought one of his books; how ungrateful!

 JPFO used to be a no-nonsense civil rights organization with special emphasis on the rights of self defense. Unique for a Jewish organization. Then Mr. Zellman passed away and they may have lost their compass. Last October (2011!), one of their correspondents penned an article about government sponsored genocides that included this paragraph:

    I've seen many other programs about the Nazi Holocaust -- or Shoah (the  "Catastrophe") as it's also been called -- and so have you. Along with  the Turkish slaughter of the Armenians, the Chinese "Massacre of the  Landlords", Stalin's deadly crimes, (I would also include what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and the insanity of the Cambodian Killing  Fields, the Nazi Holocaust, the principal horror of the 20th century,  was the crowning achievement of untrammeled statism in an age which, not by any means coincidentally, saw the rise of the gigantic super-government.”

Include what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki among the genocides of the 20th Century? We know what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki; Nuclear bombs were dropped on Japanese cites causing widespread destruction and massive casualties causing the previously reticent Japanese to surrender. Subsequently, the planned invasion of Japan was canceled, saving millions of Japanese and Allied lives. The casualties numbered in the hundreds of thousands. JPFO was way out-of-line to equate those acts of war with the 100s of millions liquidated by their own governments. You be the judge as I still haven’t seen any retraction from JPFO.

Machine Gun Price Guide - The definite source of machine gun price information on the Internet. The MGP contains price information for over 100 transferable automatic weapons. Navigate to the Price Guides to find a particular category and select a thumbnail for a full screen display of an easily understandable chart of average prices and trends in a high/low window over many years of history.

The uniqueness of our Constitution and the rights recognized and protected by the Bill of Rights makes the US  one of the only countries in the world to allow civilian ownership of automatic weapons. This privilege is controlled by various laws and regulations that exist to control and restrict ownership. Regardless of your stand on the fairness or even the constitutionality of the regulations, follow the links below to begin understanding what defines a machine gun an individual may own and how to acquire/dispose of them in ordinary commerce.

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