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The State of ... Are you feeling the price increases of M16s and HK MP5s? Unreal when you see a 50% increase in only about 6 months. Maybe we’re seeing the beginning of a new good old days. Fact 2 is that sales volume is finally on the increase. Somebody’s feeling it.

In the Truth is Stranger than Fiction category or what we like to call, Stories You Can't Make Up, is the continuing IRS non-profit scandal. Remarkably, the latest is that the dog had puppies all over my homework and it's all gone along with all my emails. Since that wonderfully inventive excuse never worked for me or anyone I know, a further, in-depth investigation is warranted. (BTW, the President stated on nationwide TV that there's no IRS scandal and even if one is uncovered, he and his evil minions staff knew nothing about it. He knows nothing about so many things that he's proving to be more inexperienced and incompetent than Jimmy Carter. Sarah Palin is a Rhodes scholar compared to Barack Obama. But that's not new news.

Anyway, here's a timeline, painstakingly created, that's as close to correct as I care to research.

In the Spring of 2010 the IRS began more closely scrutinizing non-profit applications from what they thought were tea party groups or limited government power/spending groups. The IRS was doing this by analyzing group names containing the words "tea party", "patriots" and stuff like "leave me the f alone". Obviously they had their best and brightest on it whose methods of additional scrutiny meant asking questions like what books do you read and who do you hang with. Most of these groups never got tax exempt status determinations and those few that did received approval after the general election. As an(other) aside, I know for a fact that non-profit approvals are granted in 3-6 months if the group name is "Save the (insert furry animal)", "Hug and Kiss a Tree", "Kill the Coal Miners" or "Shoot the Gun Owners(?)". Just saying that if organizations fit President Obama's agenda, they quickly receive 501(c)(3) or 501(c)(4) determinations.

In June 2011, Rep. Camp of MI, the Chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, sent a detailed letter to the IRS inquiring about the agency’s practice of targeting tea party and conservative groups. This letter was regarding the issue of whether donations to a 501(c)(4) had gift tax implications. He asked for detailed records, policies, determinations and emails and stated, "... the IRS appears to have selectively targeted certain taxpayers who are engaged in political speech. Not only does this threaten political speech, it casts doubt on the credibility as an impartial enforcer of the nation's tax law. The IRS's ability to effectively enforce tax law and work with taxpayers to ensure compliance is not served by auditing unsuspecting taxpayers for violating tax laws the IRS has not acknowledged for decades." This so added to the miasma of government fermentation, that by the Spring of 2012 other Republican congress-critters couldn't ignore it any longer. Rep. Boustany of LA sent the IRS a letter asking why it was targeting tea party groups and Rep. Issa of CA held a hearing in which he politely grilled, in a gentlemanly manner, IRS Commissioner Shulman over the IRS treatment of conservative group’s applications for non-profit status. Shulman denied that his agency was targeting conservatives.

Then in early May 2012 the bomb was dropped. Speaking at a conference, Lois Lerner, the head of IRS's exempt organization’s division said that her staffers had singled out organizations with "tea party" or "patriots" in their name that were seeking tax exempt non-profit status and subjecting them to extra scrutiny to see if they were abusing the tax law as it relates to political activity. They grilled (maybe not so politely or gentlemanly) these conservative groups about their members, their donors, their public statements and philosophies. Lerner made a public apology and said politics was not the reason the IRS targeted conservative groups. Instead, she explained that low level staffers in the Cincinnati office were trying to manage the 2-fold increase of applications for tax exempt status under the 501(c)(4) rules of the tax law. The staffers began looking for groups whose name included the key words of conservative activism. Lerner condemned this practice and said, "That was absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate. That's not how we go about selecting cases for further review." Obviously, certain Cincinnati staffers were chosen to fall on their swords.

In May 2013, Ms. Lerner was called to testify before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee. She began with the statement, “I have not done anything wrong. I have not broken any laws, I have not violated any IRS rules or regulations, and I have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committee.” She further said that while she “would very much like to answer the committee’s questions,” her counsel advised her to assert her constitutional right not to testify or answer questions related to the subject matter of the hearing. Apparently, you can profess your innocence or plead the 5th, but not both, so Lerner was in deep doo-doo and found in contempt of Congress. The Justice Department is supposed to prosecute these crimes and you can guess what Obama's buddy Attorney General Holder did; lots of nothing.

Meanwhile, back in the Congress, few of their information requests were being completely fulfilled. Both public and private organizations were suing IRS to release the information, especially emails between Lerner, IRS staff, Congress and the White House. In the Spring of this year (2014) it was revealed that ten days after Rep. Camp's initial letter (2011) telling IRS it was officially under investigation, Lerner’s computer mysteriously crashed. Oh and by the way, the computers of six other officials also crashed. These crashes obviously wiped out Ms. Lerner’s local email storage, something that was extremely convenient for an agency just notified it was under investigation. No efforts were made to retrieve the data through backup files. Instead, the agency had Lerner’s hard drive melted down (what!) and canceled its contract with Sonasoft, a company whose sole purpose was email archiving. This was in 2011 and it took the agency until 2014 to completely come clean about it. Now I know why the dog had puppies homework approach never worked for me. I didn't have a massive government bureaucracy to lie along with me. Live and learn.

But wait, there's more, the legal part. The minute that Rep. Camp's letter was delivered, the IRS was put on notice that it was under investigation. As per Federal Law, the IRS has a legal obligation to backup all of the relevant files and begin to print them. But the IRS didn’t do that. Instead, ten days later the mysterious crash events occurred, something that was extremely convenient for an agency just notified it was under investigation. Since most of today's computing utilities are run by kids called System Administrators that do the job because Facebucks or GooGoo wasn't hiring, it's almost believable that their were no backups. (Back in the days of dinosaurs, mainframe computing facilities actually practiced data security and recoverability. But that’s a story for later.) Almost, right, but there's no conceivable reason that the data wasn't frozen and backed up when put on notice of investigation. Wait, there is one reason; IRS didn't want the data made available.

So at this point we're stuck believing that the IRS, an organization that wouldn't begin to entertain the notion that a taxpayer lost information, has lost lots of information pertinent to an internal investigation. Unfortunately, for them, emails pass through many servers, especially if they route through public portions of the Internet. Because they're lost on the local work station only makes it harder to find, but not impossible. This fib isn't going away quietly.

This just in! The House is trying to pass a resolution to arrest Ms. Lerner for contempt. I can just see Boehner in his best Torquemada robe, stretching her on the rack.

More of the Continuing JPFO Rant - There’s been a few negative comments about this, but if you had a father or grandfather that fought in the Pacific during WWII, you may be alive today due to the nuclear bombing of Japan that ended the war in the Pacific. At least 1 million US and up to 4 million Japanese lives were saved when Japan surrendered, negating the anticipated invasion of Japan. My dad was Army Air Force in India and Burma during the war and was being readied for the invasion. His life was likely spared due to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. For JFPO to allow revisionists a voice to equate these events with the Nazi Holocaust is disgusting. This rant will stay until JFPO addresses the issue. It’s been over 2 years and haven’t heard from them yet. If you don’t like it, skip it or start your own freakin website.

 JPFO used to be a no-nonsense civil rights organization with special emphasis on the rights of self defense. Unique for a Jewish organization. Then Mr. Zellman passed away and they may have lost their compass. Last October, one of their correspondents penned an article about government sponsored genocides that included this paragraph:

    I've seen many other programs about the Nazi Holocaust -- or Shoah (the  "Catastrophe") as it's also been called -- and so have you. Along with  the Turkish slaughter of the Armenians, the Chinese "Massacre of the  Landlords", Stalin's deadly crimes, (I would also include what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki), and the insanity of the Cambodian Killing  Fields, the Nazi Holocaust, the principal horror of the 20th century,  was the crowning achievement of untrammeled statism in an age which, not by any means coincidentally, saw the rise of the gigantic super-government.”

Include what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki among the genocides of the 20th Century? We know what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki; Nuclear bombs were dropped on Japanese cites causing widespread destruction and massive casualties causing the previously reticent Japanese to surrender. Subsequently, the planned invasion of Japan was canceled, saving millions of Japanese and Allied lives. The casualties numbered in the hundreds of thousands. JPFO was way out-of-line to equate those acts of war with the 100s of millions liquidated by their own governments. You be the judge as I still haven’t seen any retraction from JPFO.

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The uniqueness of our Constitution and the rights recognized and protected by the Bill of Rights makes the US  one of the only countries in the world to allow civilian ownership of automatic weapons. This privilege is controlled by various laws and regulations that exist to control and restrict ownership. Regardless of your stand on the fairness or even the constitutionality of the regulations, follow the links below to begin understanding what defines a machine gun an individual may own and how to acquire/dispose of them in ordinary commerce.

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